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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-2614</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[these are not hostile takeovers by large corporations of mom-and-pop businesses.  These are older folks selling the business because they are tired of working everyday at age 70-whatever.  This is exactly how and why Ben &amp; Jerry&#039;s is now just a trademark.

i propose a rule for this forum:   if you have successfully met a payroll for an extended period of time, you are qualified to comment on commerce.


everyone else should do some homework.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these are not hostile takeovers by large corporations of mom-and-pop businesses.  These are older folks selling the business because they are tired of working everyday at age 70-whatever.  This is exactly how and why Ben &amp; Jerry&#8217;s is now just a trademark.</p>
<p>i propose a rule for this forum:   if you have successfully met a payroll for an extended period of time, you are qualified to comment on commerce.</p>
<p>everyone else should do some homework.</p>
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		<title>By: Whose Garden Is It?</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-1909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whose Garden Is It?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] someone who believes that at the very least animals deserve rights equal to, say, corporations, I&#8217;m disturbed that our legal system treats them as property.  So when I read Mary Ann [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] someone who believes that at the very least animals deserve rights equal to, say, corporations, I&#8217;m disturbed that our legal system treats them as property.  So when I read Mary Ann [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jeannie</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-793</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Connie, I am glad that the link in my comment led you back to reading more of Howard Zinn&#039;s writing. :-) 

The various articles/blogs (in the AR community and beyond) revolving around the &quot;anniversary&quot; of Gandhi&#039;s death a couple days ago reminded me of my comment here, and made me smile (maybe even chuckle) this time, rather than fume. That&#039;s what I call progress ~ ha ha. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connie, I am glad that the link in my comment led you back to reading more of Howard Zinn&#8217;s writing. :-) </p>
<p>The various articles/blogs (in the AR community and beyond) revolving around the &#8220;anniversary&#8221; of Gandhi&#8217;s death a couple days ago reminded me of my comment here, and made me smile (maybe even chuckle) this time, rather than fume. That&#8217;s what I call progress ~ ha ha. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Round up, January 31, 2010 &#171; The Inhumanities</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Weekly Round up, January 31, 2010 &#171; The Inhumanities]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] up responding, here and here. You might also want to check outhis post on corporate personhood. Mary Martin makes the argument that corporate personhood is bad for the personhood of non-human animals. Scu adds some comments to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up responding, here and here. You might also want to check outhis post on corporate personhood. Mary Martin makes the argument that corporate personhood is bad for the personhood of non-human animals. Scu adds some comments to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On the Banning of Eating Cats and Dogs in China &#124; Animal Rights Blog</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[On the Banning of Eating Cats and Dogs in China &#124; Animal Rights Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I&#8217;ve been blogging at Animal Rights &amp; AntiOppression (check out my latest post &#8220;On Corporate Personhood and Animal Rights&#8221; and the better-than-the-post comments) but also because I&#8217;ve been feeling like a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been blogging at Animal Rights &amp; AntiOppression (check out my latest post &#8220;On Corporate Personhood and Animal Rights&#8221; and the better-than-the-post comments) but also because I&#8217;ve been feeling like a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Graham</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-748</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Connie Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I for one, Jeannie, am grateful for the link.  Yesterday I visited The Progressive online and Dr. Zinn&#039;s website, reading several opinion pieces he had written.  Little did I know at the time that he had passed away.  I discovered that late last night and was deeply saddened by his passing.  Thank you for reminding me of his insight and intelligent commentary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one, Jeannie, am grateful for the link.  Yesterday I visited The Progressive online and Dr. Zinn&#8217;s website, reading several opinion pieces he had written.  Little did I know at the time that he had passed away.  I discovered that late last night and was deeply saddened by his passing.  Thank you for reminding me of his insight and intelligent commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: jeannie</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-747</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeannie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I copied this quote, little did I know how little time we had left with Howard Zinn still gracing our world with his inspirational presence. His death is a true loss. 

Fifteen minutes ago, after reading several Howard Zinn quotes in &quot;tweets&quot; written by people who had never uttered his name before, I wrote a long comment about people who only talk/tweet/blog about famous people on the day of their death or birth. And how this inanity can be extended to certain “topics of the day” (e.g., how the AR community was happily blogging away about climate change during the summit in Copenhagen, and how there now seems to be a giant brain fart regarding it). But I decided to file that rant away in my archive. The number of rants I have these days has diminished considerably, and the ones I do have I mostly keep to myself. But once in a while a little bit of a rant will leak out in the form of a small inadvertent (hopefully positive) hint. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I copied this quote, little did I know how little time we had left with Howard Zinn still gracing our world with his inspirational presence. His death is a true loss. </p>
<p>Fifteen minutes ago, after reading several Howard Zinn quotes in &#8220;tweets&#8221; written by people who had never uttered his name before, I wrote a long comment about people who only talk/tweet/blog about famous people on the day of their death or birth. And how this inanity can be extended to certain “topics of the day” (e.g., how the AR community was happily blogging away about climate change during the summit in Copenhagen, and how there now seems to be a giant brain fart regarding it). But I decided to file that rant away in my archive. The number of rants I have these days has diminished considerably, and the ones I do have I mostly keep to myself. But once in a while a little bit of a rant will leak out in the form of a small inadvertent (hopefully positive) hint. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: jeannie</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeannie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Howard Zinn was asked to comment on the Supreme Court decision, he basically summed it up for me: 

“Liberals get excited about things like that as if they signal a dramatic change. No, the corporations ran our elections before the decision and will do so now -- just with a fig leaf of ‘legality.’ The designation of corporations as ‘persons’ which started in 1886 is just proof of how our legal system, the Constitution, the courts have always been tools of the wealthy classes.” http://www.truthout.org/howard-zinn-the-people-speak-supreme-court-and-haiti56402]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Howard Zinn was asked to comment on the Supreme Court decision, he basically summed it up for me: </p>
<p>“Liberals get excited about things like that as if they signal a dramatic change. No, the corporations ran our elections before the decision and will do so now &#8212; just with a fig leaf of ‘legality.’ The designation of corporations as ‘persons’ which started in 1886 is just proof of how our legal system, the Constitution, the courts have always been tools of the wealthy classes.” <a href="http://www.truthout.org/howard-zinn-the-people-speak-supreme-court-and-haiti56402" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthout.org/howard-zinn-the-people-speak-supreme-court-and-haiti56402</a></p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-676</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to say “corporate personhood” with a straight face. Though initially I did feel torn as you did about hindering progress in the quest for animal rights. But on deeper reflection, I think it’d just be giving in to the idea of “necessary evil.”

In 1992 Switzerland legally recognized nonhuman animals as “beings.” But then in 1999 that amendment was totally rewritten in its constitution. AR gains can easily be overturned so compromises we make might only be good intentions that eventually go astray. Most European countries consider animals sentient beings, but that hasn’t stopped any of them from murdering and eating animals. No country in the world advocates respecting all animals by not killing them.
 
Anyway, unless personhood for nonhuman animals means total liberation from under human control, it won’t be a meaningful advance in justice for the animals. And humans relinquishing control is perhaps the biggest hurdle.

Steve Jones, a professor in genetics, says humans are &quot;unique&quot; beyond their biology and suggests that human rights  would be diminished if the rights of nonhuman animals were recognized. He implies that &quot;humans come first.&quot; Unfortunately, his sentiments are typical in many recent essays. His aversion to personhood for animals is ironic because through his own studies on DNA, Jones does believe that *all* living beings share a common ancestor.

Regardless of laws and personhood status, until our society changes its myopic view of animals as “lesser than human” and “others” to be mined as resources, oppression will continue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to say “corporate personhood” with a straight face. Though initially I did feel torn as you did about hindering progress in the quest for animal rights. But on deeper reflection, I think it’d just be giving in to the idea of “necessary evil.”</p>
<p>In 1992 Switzerland legally recognized nonhuman animals as “beings.” But then in 1999 that amendment was totally rewritten in its constitution. AR gains can easily be overturned so compromises we make might only be good intentions that eventually go astray. Most European countries consider animals sentient beings, but that hasn’t stopped any of them from murdering and eating animals. No country in the world advocates respecting all animals by not killing them.</p>
<p>Anyway, unless personhood for nonhuman animals means total liberation from under human control, it won’t be a meaningful advance in justice for the animals. And humans relinquishing control is perhaps the biggest hurdle.</p>
<p>Steve Jones, a professor in genetics, says humans are &#8220;unique&#8221; beyond their biology and suggests that human rights  would be diminished if the rights of nonhuman animals were recognized. He implies that &#8220;humans come first.&#8221; Unfortunately, his sentiments are typical in many recent essays. His aversion to personhood for animals is ironic because through his own studies on DNA, Jones does believe that *all* living beings share a common ancestor.</p>
<p>Regardless of laws and personhood status, until our society changes its myopic view of animals as “lesser than human” and “others” to be mined as resources, oppression will continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Intersectionality &#8216;Round the Interwebs, No. 15: BEEF!, Bitches &#38; &#8220;Bruised Feelings&#8221; &#187; V for Vegan: easyVegan.info</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/25/on-corporate-personhood-and-animal-rights/#comment-641</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Intersectionality &#8216;Round the Interwebs, No. 15: BEEF!, Bitches &#38; &#8220;Bruised Feelings&#8221; &#187; V for Vegan: easyVegan.info]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] On Corporate Personhood and Animal Rights &#8211; Mary examines the recent Supreme Court ruling regarding corporate personhood and First Amendment rights vis-à-vis campaign donations, asking whether the proposed cure is any better for nonhuman animals than is the underlying problem. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On Corporate Personhood and Animal Rights &#8211; Mary examines the recent Supreme Court ruling regarding corporate personhood and First Amendment rights vis-à-vis campaign donations, asking whether the proposed cure is any better for nonhuman animals than is the underlying problem. [...]</p>
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