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	<title>Comments on: Stop the Fight Against Factory Farming, Save the Animal Rights Movement</title>
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		<title>By: emma</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/14/stop-the-fight-against-factory-farming-save-the-animal-rights-movement/#comment-3889</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 23:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow you are an ignorant piece of rubbish]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow you are an ignorant piece of rubbish</p>
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		<title>By: SexyVegan</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/14/stop-the-fight-against-factory-farming-save-the-animal-rights-movement/#comment-3877</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SexyVegan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 21:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kayla, I think you are confused or you simply have not read the article above. The issue raised (from my recollection of reading the article)  is not about whether the unnecessary exploitation and killing of innocent individuals (or the financial support of that) is not a morally responsible act, but whether advocates for animals ought to be framing the egregious injustice of that exploitation and killing of farmed animals as simply a problem of the worst forms of exploitation and killing (factory farming) or rather that the unnecessary exploitive use and killing is the problem that ought to be dealt with. In other words, is the problem the right use of the innocent individual farmed animals or is it the instrumental use of these individuals that is the problem. The author assumes, I believe, that most readers will agree that the unnecessary instrumental use of animals is morally unjustifiable and therefore questions the focus by some leaders on merely the worst conditions of the real and much bigger injustice / problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kayla, I think you are confused or you simply have not read the article above. The issue raised (from my recollection of reading the article)  is not about whether the unnecessary exploitation and killing of innocent individuals (or the financial support of that) is not a morally responsible act, but whether advocates for animals ought to be framing the egregious injustice of that exploitation and killing of farmed animals as simply a problem of the worst forms of exploitation and killing (factory farming) or rather that the unnecessary exploitive use and killing is the problem that ought to be dealt with. In other words, is the problem the right use of the innocent individual farmed animals or is it the instrumental use of these individuals that is the problem. The author assumes, I believe, that most readers will agree that the unnecessary instrumental use of animals is morally unjustifiable and therefore questions the focus by some leaders on merely the worst conditions of the real and much bigger injustice / problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayla Y.</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/14/stop-the-fight-against-factory-farming-save-the-animal-rights-movement/#comment-3876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kayla Y.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 21:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what?  Not all farms treat their animals like shit.  Many small farms raise their animals out in the open air, in pastures where then can get sunlight and grass.  Don&#039;t be getting mad at all the farms just because you don&#039;t eat meat!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what?  Not all farms treat their animals like shit.  Many small farms raise their animals out in the open air, in pastures where then can get sunlight and grass.  Don&#8217;t be getting mad at all the farms just because you don&#8217;t eat meat!</p>
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		<title>By: Shelly Meyer</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/14/stop-the-fight-against-factory-farming-save-the-animal-rights-movement/#comment-3751</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shelly Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephanie, 

Please please research the percentages on what contributes to global warming, and in particular, what percentage factory farming contributes!!! You&#039;re argument, and I am assuming this is an argumentive essay, is one-sided. Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephanie, </p>
<p>Please please research the percentages on what contributes to global warming, and in particular, what percentage factory farming contributes!!! You&#8217;re argument, and I am assuming this is an argumentive essay, is one-sided. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Animal rights activists and the New War on PR acts of conscience with Domestic Terrorism Link - Animal Shelter, Animal Pictures, Animal Planet, What are Animals, Animal Care, Animal Crossing - Animal Rescue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Animal rights activists and the New War on PR acts of conscience with Domestic Terrorism Link - Animal Shelter, Animal Pictures, Animal Planet, What are Animals, Animal Care, Animal Crossing - Animal Rescue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] activists trespassed from UF after protest â The &#8230;   Stop the Fight Against Factory Farming, Save the Animal Rights &#8230;Eco-Terrorism: Animal Planetâs âWhale Warsâ Celebrates &#8230;The North American [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] activists trespassed from UF after protest â The &#8230;   Stop the Fight Against Factory Farming, Save the Animal Rights &#8230;Eco-Terrorism: Animal Planetâs âWhale Warsâ Celebrates &#8230;The North American [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/14/stop-the-fight-against-factory-farming-save-the-animal-rights-movement/#comment-1842</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t actually think its a fluke of logic at all. Its basic learning processes: if you flood people with information they re not in a position to receive, they usually don&#039;t process ANY of it. If you also then remove any power they have over the situation (in this case, by telling them they could never figure out a way to make it happen within their ethics), you get total shut down: generally either learned helplessness (&quot;I give up. Its too painful, and I can&#039;t do anything to make that pain stop. My actions mean nothing&quot;), or total avoidance of the area of powerlessness.
 (&quot;I&#039;m not going to think about it anymore because I don&#039;t want to feel that overwhelming pain&quot;)

I&#039;m a person who became vegan after reading Foer&#039;s book. I went through a few stages of processing that all started with the basic premise of the book that spoke to me: applying my true and deeply held ethics to what ends up at the end of my fork. I was already land animal meat-free (which at the time I thought was a Big Fat Deal) specifically because of factory farming practices. But I had never extended that information to dairy. His explanation of eggs changed that for me. I spent the better part of the next three weeks trying to figure out how to get eggs and milk within the context of my personal ethics (no suffering and no death for my food). After extensive hunting and searching, I realized that it was a pipe dream to think I could ever find such a thing. Even the dream of finding chickens who lived out their full lives (and who happened to produce eggs that would otherwise go to waste if we didn&#039;t use them) was dashed when I followed the logical progression of where people get the pullets that they raise. Even in that case, I would be supporting factory farming hatcheries that kill the newborn boys in horrific ways. I had the same problem with dairy, and will never contribute to a baby being killed so that its food can be sold (or even given away). But his approach left space for ME to go through that search, and respected ME enough to trust that I would come to an ethical decision. Most others outright tell people what the only ethical choice is, and chastise anyone who doesn&#039;t follow along. I find that beyond unhelpful to most folks who aren&#039;t easily shocked or hammered into thinking a certain way.

The real point was that the book did not steal my process. It treated me with respect and like an individual who can be trusted to make good choices. THAT is why this book is so successful, IMO. It treats people with kindness and as though they are valuable, ethical beings....it reminds us of our power as thinking, reasoning people able to draw ethical conclusions on our own without predetermined conclusions being imposed onto us, predigested by others. And it eases us into a very scary topic without flooding us all at once with information that would shut people down.

I think this book is one of the more valuable things to happen on the topic of animals used for food in a very long time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t actually think its a fluke of logic at all. Its basic learning processes: if you flood people with information they re not in a position to receive, they usually don&#8217;t process ANY of it. If you also then remove any power they have over the situation (in this case, by telling them they could never figure out a way to make it happen within their ethics), you get total shut down: generally either learned helplessness (&#8220;I give up. Its too painful, and I can&#8217;t do anything to make that pain stop. My actions mean nothing&#8221;), or total avoidance of the area of powerlessness.<br />
 (&#8220;I&#8217;m not going to think about it anymore because I don&#8217;t want to feel that overwhelming pain&#8221;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a person who became vegan after reading Foer&#8217;s book. I went through a few stages of processing that all started with the basic premise of the book that spoke to me: applying my true and deeply held ethics to what ends up at the end of my fork. I was already land animal meat-free (which at the time I thought was a Big Fat Deal) specifically because of factory farming practices. But I had never extended that information to dairy. His explanation of eggs changed that for me. I spent the better part of the next three weeks trying to figure out how to get eggs and milk within the context of my personal ethics (no suffering and no death for my food). After extensive hunting and searching, I realized that it was a pipe dream to think I could ever find such a thing. Even the dream of finding chickens who lived out their full lives (and who happened to produce eggs that would otherwise go to waste if we didn&#8217;t use them) was dashed when I followed the logical progression of where people get the pullets that they raise. Even in that case, I would be supporting factory farming hatcheries that kill the newborn boys in horrific ways. I had the same problem with dairy, and will never contribute to a baby being killed so that its food can be sold (or even given away). But his approach left space for ME to go through that search, and respected ME enough to trust that I would come to an ethical decision. Most others outright tell people what the only ethical choice is, and chastise anyone who doesn&#8217;t follow along. I find that beyond unhelpful to most folks who aren&#8217;t easily shocked or hammered into thinking a certain way.</p>
<p>The real point was that the book did not steal my process. It treated me with respect and like an individual who can be trusted to make good choices. THAT is why this book is so successful, IMO. It treats people with kindness and as though they are valuable, ethical beings&#8230;.it reminds us of our power as thinking, reasoning people able to draw ethical conclusions on our own without predetermined conclusions being imposed onto us, predigested by others. And it eases us into a very scary topic without flooding us all at once with information that would shut people down.</p>
<p>I think this book is one of the more valuable things to happen on the topic of animals used for food in a very long time.</p>
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		<title>By: davedandelion</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/14/stop-the-fight-against-factory-farming-save-the-animal-rights-movement/#comment-1425</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davedandelion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, many activists use emotional-laden ploys based upon welfare issues short-circuiting the actual issue of animal oppression. What needs to change is the attitude of the public. In this regard I think zoos are on the front lines of the matter and more activists should take a look at abolishing these institutions for greater gains. Domesticated animals can be a complicated issue to traverse. Wild animals in zoos are a no-brainer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, many activists use emotional-laden ploys based upon welfare issues short-circuiting the actual issue of animal oppression. What needs to change is the attitude of the public. In this regard I think zoos are on the front lines of the matter and more activists should take a look at abolishing these institutions for greater gains. Domesticated animals can be a complicated issue to traverse. Wild animals in zoos are a no-brainer.</p>
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		<title>By: Louie Gedo</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/14/stop-the-fight-against-factory-farming-save-the-animal-rights-movement/#comment-1424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louie Gedo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a worthwhile issue to speak out against but I feel that many fewer activists would see it as more worthwhile than some other issues for various reasons. Besides, it is a lot easier to get the public (in general) interested in an issue where there is overt abuse, cruelty, or killing taking place....none of which are routinely present at most zoos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a worthwhile issue to speak out against but I feel that many fewer activists would see it as more worthwhile than some other issues for various reasons. Besides, it is a lot easier to get the public (in general) interested in an issue where there is overt abuse, cruelty, or killing taking place&#8230;.none of which are routinely present at most zoos.</p>
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		<title>By: davedandelion</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/14/stop-the-fight-against-factory-farming-save-the-animal-rights-movement/#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davedandelion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there is one practical cause to take on that can address the underlying issue of speciesist injustice I think that zoos would be it. Zoos by their very nature perpetuate the objectification of animals and is probably something the general public can get behind. I&#039;m surprised at how little attention these anachronistic institutions get from an animal rights perspective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is one practical cause to take on that can address the underlying issue of speciesist injustice I think that zoos would be it. Zoos by their very nature perpetuate the objectification of animals and is probably something the general public can get behind. I&#8217;m surprised at how little attention these anachronistic institutions get from an animal rights perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: md</title>
		<link>http://challengeoppression.com/2010/01/14/stop-the-fight-against-factory-farming-save-the-animal-rights-movement/#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[md]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll gladly look over theses new posts when I have a chance, but what a shame we have to see Stephanie&#039;s original, misguided, post again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll gladly look over theses new posts when I have a chance, but what a shame we have to see Stephanie&#8217;s original, misguided, post again.</p>
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